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Mesajde marius.tim » 07 Feb 2011 21:20

Sambata am fost cu un grup de amici,la o prezentare de produse SBS la magazinul Haldorado de langa Szeged in Ungaria.Am ramas uimit de produsele SBS ,necunoscute mie si care nu aratau la fel ca cele, pe care le-am folosit destul de mult timp.Fiecare mix,pelete,arome,,borcane cu bile de carlig frumos ambalat in niste cutii stralucitoare si fancy,care i_ar fi dat gata si pe cei de la Gucci.Singura chestie care ma lasat in suspans este pe linga produsele neobisnuite si adresa firmei ,inscriptionata pe cutii care este din Debrecen,si pagina de internet care este diferita de cea originala de Anglia.Ajuns acasa constat cu mirare ca sint doua firme cu acelasi nume,una in Anglia pe care o stim toti si una in Ungaria,care se pare ca nu are decat numele in comun cu cea din Anglia.Stie cineva mai multe detalii legate de misterul care leaga cele doua firme ?
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Mesajde ReMuS L » 08 Feb 2011 17:14

Domnule Marius , ma mira faptul ca tu , o persoana deobicei foarte documentata in tot ce tine de pescuit , esti nelamurit in legatura cu produsele SBS.
Imi permit sa iti raspund eu, il stiu pe proprietarul firmei din Ungaria , si pentru ca nu este nici un "mister".
Produsele pe care le-ai vazut nu sunt nicidecum clonate , sunt produse originale SBS. Zoli Kovacs , prin firma sa SBS Baits in Europe , este unicul importator si distribuitor al produselor SBS in Europa , avand contract de exclusivitate cu Des Taylor. De asta gasesti diferenta la ambalaje , care sunt personalizate pentru Europa. Poti fi linistit ca , continutul lor este identic cu al celor comercializate in Anglia. Nu stiu ce produse ai folosit tu pana acum de la SBS , dar daca nu erau achizitionate direct din Anglia....
De anul acesta vom avea si noi in Romania un importator si distribuitor autorizat SBS , in persoana domnului George Tite .
Daca aveti sau ai vreo nelamurire in legatura cu produsele SBS , nu ezita sa ma contactezi.
Numai bine si Fir Intins!

P.S.Uite si un filmulet cu Zoli impreuna cu Des Taylor

http://www.sbsbojli.hu/videok/irasok-vi ... iresz.html
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Mesajde Vlad Pavlovici » 08 Feb 2011 18:28

Remus, cred ca tu esti cel insuficient informat. Zoltan Kovacs a fost intr-adevar wholesaler SBS pentru Ungaria (fara nicio tangenta cu Romania, magazinele din Romania importau direct de la Des Taylor), lucru confirmat de aceasta stire din 2008 de pe site-ul firmei lui Des Taylor: http://www.sbsbaits.com/sbsnews.php?page=39

Cei doi au stabilit o relatie de parteneriat, dupa care nu s-au mai inteles si au intrat in litigiu. Au rezultat doua firme SBS, una in UK, cealalta in Ungaria. Firma lui Zoltan Kovacs se numeste SBS Tactical Baits. Firma lui Des Taylor se numeste The Original SBS Tactical Products, cu precizarea Made in UK.

Lucrul e de notorietate si conflictul a fost facut public si in presa internationala. Angling International a publicat in octombrie si decembrie 2010 punctele de vedere ale ambelor parti.

Punctul de vedere al lui Des Taylor a aparut in octombrie:

DES TAYLOR RECONSTITUTES SBS BAITS LTD The Original LTD UK business SBS Baits has written to its European distributors to advise them that it has become a limited company and that all intellectual property rights, stocks and trading agreements have been transferred to the new company. SBS Baits Ltd is owned by well-known specimen angler and writer Des Taylor. He explained that the decision to rename and reconstitute his company is "not unrelated to the fact that another business based in eastern Europe has registered the trading style that we previously operated." SBS Baits Ltd is currently in discussion with SBS Baits in Europe Ltd, based in Hungary. The two companies purportedly reached an agreement in December 2008, but Angling International understands that the agreement ran into difficulties last year and these are yet to be resolved. Taylor's letter states: "For the avoidance of any doubt we can state that our company, the Original SBS Limited, based in England, is the company that has developed the SBS products and supplied, successfully, our home and European markets for more than 20 years." The letter invites recipients to visit his website for the latest information on his products and services and continues: "Any contact from any other supplier attempting to sell SBS products, you will have to view wholly independently. It is a fact that the trademark is registered with a company other than ours. It is equally a fact that there is no constraint or restriction of any kind on our business, or our business's customers, in respect of future dealings." Made in England Angling International spoke to Petr Barancic and Zoltan Kovacs, at SBS in Hungary but they declined to make any comment for publication. They are purportedly talking on an individual basis to distributors. Taylor said that he would still prefer to resolve any problem in a conciliatory way. "We can still help each other make money. The time spent on this could be better spent selling bait," he said. Taylor also says that "new exclusive" recipes will be available from his company in the future.

Punctul de vedere al lui Zoltan Kovacs a aparut in decembrie:

SBS TACTICAL BAITS RAISES STAKES IN DISPUTE WITH DES TAYLOR Hungarian bait company SBS Tactical Baits Kft has spoken out against UK business Original SBS Ltd, owned by Des Taylor, saying that the latter is acting in breach of contract by continuing to supply products to Europe. Its response follows the decision by Mr Taylor to write to European distributors explaining that his company has declared itself a limited company under the new name of Original SBS Limited. The letter explained that all intellectual property rights, stocks and trading agreements have been transferred to the new company. It also states that "...there is no constraint or restriction of any kind on our business... in respect of future dealings." But SBS Tactical Baits alleges that a "valid and effective sales contract" was entered into by themselves and Mr Taylor in December 2008 which gave the Hungarian business 18 SBS Tactical Baits owner Zoltan Kovacs. "both the SBS Tactical Baits name and the production know-how exclusively." They maintain that under the contract only their company is entitled to supply distributors in mainland Europe. SBS Tactical Baits further argues that the alleged contract remains lawful and governs the relationship between the two parties and the intellectual property connected to the products. "The fact that Mr Taylor founded a new company changes nothing, because the contract was made lawfully and he is responsible for performing his obligations," said SBS Tactical Baits owner Zoltan Kovacs, who also insists that SBS products have grown in popularity in the past two years thanks to his company's "constant work, technological developments and serious marketing activity". Mr Taylor insists that he has continued to trade with Europe because payments agreed in the contract had allegedly not been completed, but SBS Tactical Baits says it suspended payment of the last instalment of the purchase price as the result of purported infringements of the contract by Mr Taylor. For more information, SBS Tactical Baits suggests distributors should visit http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/ en_Detail_NoReg#down and search for Trade Mark no. 008410748. Mr Kovacs also recommends that distributors visit the English website that his company plans to launch soon at www.sbsbaits.net where it says it will publish the names of the companies it has initiated proceedings against and where they can get news of new products.

In consecinta, la ora actuala exista produse SBS fabricate in Ungaria de firma lui Zoltan Kovacs si produse SBS fabricate in Anglia de firma lui Des Taylor. Zoltan Kovacs l-a numit pe George Tite agent pentru Romania cu referire la produsele firmei sale din Ungaria, nu la produsele lui Des Taylor din Anglia.
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Mesajde chiorean alin » 08 Feb 2011 22:16

Domnu Vlad
am o curiozitate, care este firma de dincolo care are cea mai mare cota de piata din productia si comertul nadelor.
Exista vreo clasificare, macar din punct de vedere a cifrei de afaceri?
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Mesajde ReMuS L » 08 Feb 2011 22:35

Buna seara dle Pavlovici,
asi dori sa va intreb de ce ati scos sigla SBS si produsele SBS de pe siteul magazinului online la care sunteti angajat/colaborati?

P.S. Asa este , Marius , tu intotdeauna ai dreptate , esti un fel de "atotstiutor" :D
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Mesajde marius.tim » 09 Feb 2011 08:20

Cam asta zice si Des Taylor pe blogul lui.
http://www.sbsbaits.com/sbsnews.php?pag ... a158c9cb7d
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Mesajde DOEAT-KR » 10 Feb 2011 16:15

Din cate am inteles Zoli are inregistrat brandul SBS sau numele SBS si in ungaria si in Romania, cine vinde orice sub denumirea de sbs tre sa plateasca la sbs ungaria ...oricum incurcatura maxima care nu cred ca ajuta pe nimeni :D.
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Mesajde Albert » 11 Feb 2011 21:57

Vlad Pavlovici scrie:Zoltan Kovacs l-a numit pe George Tite agent pentru Romania cu referire la produsele firmei sale din Ungaria, nu la produsele lui Des Taylor din Anglia.

:lol: :lol: :lol: si Tite a spus undeva ce vinde? Sau a lasat-o-n coada de..peste? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Mesajde marius.tim » 12 Feb 2011 19:46

Aline,e mentinut in centru atentiei.Inca nu este lamurita problema.
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Nu cred ca este copiere,mai degraba inventare de produse.Si partea proasta este ca,nefiind o lamurire din partea celor doua parti,cand produsele vor ajunge pe rafturile magazinelor,vanzatorii care nu stiu amanuntele afacerii vor trebui sa dea o gramada de raspunsuri cumparatorilor.
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Mesajde Albert » 12 Feb 2011 20:03

Din ce am inteles de aici, chiar daca au un trecut profesional, cei doi proprietari fac produse diferite...doar logo-urile seamana. Deci da, ai dreptate...e doar copiere-de-logo :lol:
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